Un simbol al Europei

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1 antim { 01.28.10 at 2:46 PM }

Nimic nu e in afara contextului . Faci ce impune contextul , poate reusesti , faci altceva , sigur nu reusesti , dar poate fi un inceput de schimbare a contextului . Poti fi erou sau martir al unei idei , totul depinde momentul acceptarii de …context . UN EROU POATE FI SI OPORTUNIST , MARTIRUL NICIODATA . UN erou ar trebui facut simbol sub beneficiu de inventar , un martir e un simbol cert .

2 Riddick { 01.28.10 at 2:57 PM }

Ba da, este concepută, iar Lisbon Treaty pare a fi începutul, daca nu ne trezim.

Europe’s Leaders Are Selling Out Their Nations

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2763

Paul Belien: You were a very famous Soviet dissident and now you are drawing a parallel between the European Union and the Soviet Union. Can you explain this?

Vladimir Bukovsky: I am referrring to structures, to certain ideologies being instilled, to the plans, the direction, the inevitable expansion, the obliteration of nations, which was the purpose of the Soviet Union. Most people do not understand this. They do not know it, but we do because we were raised in the Soviet Union where we had to study the Soviet ideology in school and at university. The ultimate purpose of the Soviet Union was to create a new historic entity, the Soviet people, all around the globe. The same is true in the EU today. They are trying to create a new people. They call this people “Europeans”, whatever that means.

According to Communist doctrine as well as to many forms of Socialist thinking, the state, the national state, is supposed to wither away. In Russia, however, the opposite happened. Instead of withering away the Soviet state became a very powerful state, but the nationalities were obliterated. But when the time of the Soviet collapse came these suppressed feelings of national identity came bouncing back and they nearly destroyed the country. It was so frightening.

PB: Do you think the same thing can happen when the European Union collapses?

VB: Absolutely, you can press a spring only that much, and the human psyche is very resilient you know. You can press it, you can press it, but don’t forget it is still accumulating a power to rebound. It is like a spring and it always goes to overshoot.

PB: But all these countries that joined the European Union did so voluntarily.

VB: No, they did not. Look at Denmark which voted against the Maastricht treaty twice. Look at Ireland [which voted against the Nice treaty]. Look at many other countries, they are under enormous pressure. It is almost blackmail. Switzerland was forced to vote five times in a referendum. All five times they have rejected it, but who knows what will happen the sixth time, the seventh time. It is always the same thing. It is a trick for idiots. The people have to vote in referendums until the people vote the way that is wanted. Then they have to stop voting. Why stop? Let us continue voting. The European Union is what Americans would call a shotgun marriage.

PB: What do you think young people should do about the European Union? What should they insist on, to democratize the institution or just abolish it?

VB: I think that the European Union, like the Soviet Union, cannot be democratized. Gorbachev tried to democratize it and it blew up. This kind of structures cannot be democratized.

PB: But we have a European Parliament which is chosen by the people.

VB: The European Parliament is elected on the basis of proportional representation, which is not true representation. And what does it vote on? The percentage of fat in yoghurt, that kind of thing. It is ridiculous. It is given the task of the Supreme Soviet. The average MP can speak for six minutes per year in the Chamber. That is not a real parliament.

3 ANAMORF { 01.28.10 at 3:09 PM }

D-l Preda se face că uită “agenturile” al căror om era “martirul” Tokes, aşa cum se face că uită că PDL l-a primit numai pentru imagine !

4 Stefan Jicol { 01.28.10 at 4:33 PM }

Trecand peste subtilitatea decorului feeric european, dl Preda, de o vreme, isi tot cauta curajul sa faca si domnia sa ceva contempland cu orice ocazie tot felul de fapte onorabile ale unor oameni liberi si curajosi… Cred ca europenilor de pe la Bruxelles, dl Preda le pare un fel de motor diesel cu pornire grea, al unui tanc sovietic T-34 de pe timpuri, la care trebuie sa tot dai la manivela ca sa se degripeze. Desigur, si daca porneste pana la urma… teama imi e de ravagiile pe care le va face prin PDL asa cum il deplang si pe dl Oltean
Cred, dupa cate ii cunosc, ca respectivii europeni se asteapta de la colegul lor sa ceara pentru inceput o analiza asupra alegerilor europarlamentare fraudate pe 07.06.2009… Se cam indoiesc de viteza dar au mari sperante in pornirea d’lui Preda.

5 antim { 01.28.10 at 4:50 PM }

perioada brucaniana a inceput cu furtul revolutiei si s-a incheiat cu cele doua furaciuni din 2009 . Autorii furtului din ‘89 sunt victimele din ‘09 ? S-a facut dreptate , sau ce naste din pisica …si …istoria se repeta ?

6 Stefan Jicol { 01.28.10 at 5:13 PM }

@antim
Va inselati. Autorii furtului din ‘89 sunt aceeasi autori ai furtului din ‘09. E o deprindere care nu se uita si este mostenita de undeva din PCR in care furtul alegerilor era uzual.
Ati auzit de si de FSN CPUN-ul din 1990? Pai Videanu, Blaga si Berceanu, tripleta de aur de astazi a PDL, au fost in acel CPUN reprezentanti ai FSN ( daca nu ma credeti verificati’le CV-ul pe http://www.cdep.ro si http://www.senat.ro , dupa caz). Basescu, desi nu era membru de partid ( al FSN) a fost numit secretar de stat in Ministerul Transporturilor pe 25.12.1989. Apoi in vara lui 1990 a fost numit ministru plin… Adica e beneficiar direct al revolutiei deturnate in interesul esalonului II al PCR.
Aceeasi oameni au organizat alegerile din 2009.
Unde vedeti dvs hotii deveniti victime ? Sau poate portofoliile de ministri si conturile din Elvetia sunt considerate de dvs mari pedepse ?

7 amanda13 { 01.28.10 at 6:38 PM }

sorry, insa pe Tokes nu-l voi vedea niciodata ca pe un simbol, dupa cum nu-l pot vedea nici pe Vadim Tudor. Au acelasi filon.

8 lulu { 01.28.10 at 7:20 PM }

Hmmm, cred ca e hazardanta formula “Un simbol al Europei”. E prea mult. Nu putem nega acele momente cu el, dar nici asa.

9 sopinel { 01.28.10 at 7:28 PM }

Tokes erou al revolutiei? Niciodata.
Eroi sunt cei care au stat in fata gloantelor, ca Stefan Jicol, Radu Chesaru, Bebe Costinas, Ioan Savu si lista celor care se aflau in strada poate continua.
Rolul lui Tokes in “Revolutie” este unul destul de dubios. Zona in care se aflau revolutionarii in Timisoara, in apropierea casei lui Tokes, era impanzita de securisti in civil condusi de maior Radu Tinu (adjunct al securitatii judetene). La forta ei, securitatea nu s-ar fi impiedicat in 50 de oameni (atat erau in Piata Maria in prima zi – 15 decembrie) si l-ar fi mutat in doi timpi si trei miscari pe acest popa.
Intr-un ziar prin anul 1995 au aparut acte cum ca acest Tokes ar fi colaborat cu Securitatea.
Prin anul 1991, un personaj apropiat securitatii timisene mi-a spus printre altele (la un pahar de tuica de caise) ca in timp se va dovedi ca adevarul este altul. personajul era un fel de “head-hunting” al Securitatii. Prin 1988 eram la el in birou si l-am auzit vorbind cu comandantul adjunct al Securitatii Satu Mare (col. Iovan – devenit ulterior sef SRI Zona Bihor dupa 1990) iar tonul amicului meu era cam rastit. Erau putine persoane care puteau sa urle la un colonel de securitate si sa nu existe urmari. Asa ca dle. Cpreda lasa mortii sa se odihneasca in pace iar vii sa nu-si aroge merite pe care nu le au.
Eu personal nu am participat la Revolutie.

10 Marcel { 01.28.10 at 9:25 PM }

@ Riddick

“According to Communist doctrine as well as to many forms of Socialist thinking, the state, the national state, is supposed to wither away. ” – da, conform doctrinei marxiste, statul ar trebui sa dispara. Asta cat timp statul este necomunist . Dar, odata veniti la putere, comunistii aplica doctrina in mod ‘dialectic’, adica in acord cu acea logica speciala conform careia un lucru coincide cu opusul sau.
Si, daca luam aminte la aceasta fraza, vedem ca gandirea socialista cuprinde azi si curente din zona ‘de dreapta’.

11 Riddick { 01.29.10 at 1:17 AM }

[...]All the British political parties are mesmerised by this catastrophic ‘European policy’, which in practice represents capitulation to Germany, in specific conformity with the blueprint set out by Nazi intellectuals in their seminar compendium entitled ‘Europäische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft’ (the ‘European Economic Community’) published in Berlin in 1942, then elaborated by the Nazi German Geopolitical Centre in Madrid in the early postwar years, institutionalised by the Treaty of Rome establishing the European Communities, and replicated via the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, the chapter headings of which are almost identical to those of the 1942 Nazi compendium.

[...]MASSIVE SPLIT BETWEEN THE TREATY OF THE ELYSEE PARTNERS
Now, Germany and France are bound together, as mentioned above, by the Treaty of the Elysée of 23rd January 1963, which contains a key clause requiring that the parties shall achieve a ‘common position’ in respect of all international issues. This treaty, which is of unlimited duration and has no exit clause, is the central layer of glue that binds the fragile pan-German European Union together. It was orchestrated by Dr Konrad Adenauer, the Hitler-era Mayor of Cologne, and the close friend of Hitler’s favourite bankers, Drs. Abs and Pferdmenges, and President Charles de Gaulle.

Since the European Union is the realisation of the Pan-European project that originated under Frederick the Great and was updated in 1941 at a conference attended by highest-level Nazi/Pan-German ‘hoch’ intellectuals which resulted in the publication in 1942 of the strategic compendium called ‘Europäische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft’ (‘the European Economic Community‘), the chapter headings of which coincide almost precisely with those of the EU’s 1992 Maastricht Treaty (4), the European Union Collective is considered by the brainwashed German geopolitical élite to be its own global hegemony property and project. Which is precisely correct.

[...]BROWN SHOULD FREEZE PAYMENTS TO THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION
However what Gordon Brown SHOULD do (redeeming himself in the process) in response to such high-handed behaviour from Brussels and the EU Finance Ministers, is to say to them:

‘Right. Since you believe you can order us around, we will show you what we are made of’.

‘I will immediately order all payments to Brussels derived from Value Added Tax to be paid into a suspense account in London, and to be held there until such time as the European Commission puts its own corrupt finances in order, eliminates financial fraud and cronyism from its operations, and has its accounts signed off by the Court of Auditors’.

FACT: For the past 14 years, the EU’s Court of Auditors, which is required to ‘audit’ the European Commission’s accounts, has REFUSED to sign the EC accounts, which have been repeatedly shown to be falsified and riddled with fraud, corruption and creative accounting.

It is an ongoing FILTHY SCANDAL that Britain continues to overlook all this corruption in Brussels. Brown should have the courage of any convictions he may retain, and should make a big play with such an initiative. Paying money into this corrupt sink-hole is a DISGUSTING AFFRONT.

Brown should appear on television to announce that he has ordered all tax collections payable to the European Commission’s accounts to be withheld and paid into a suspense account, and should explain to the British public in forthright terms why he is doing this.

http://worldreports.org/news/178_the_corrupt_octopus_has_been_severely_wounded

12 Sebastian { 01.29.10 at 1:57 AM }

“Dr Konrad Adenauer, the Hitler-era Mayor of Cologne”. Il banuiesc pe autorul textului de o oarecare doza de amatorism, ca sa nu zic mai multe. Adenauer a fost primarul Kölnului intre 1917-1933. La putine luni dupa venirea lui Hitler la putere a fost demis pentru ca a refuzat, in cadrul unei vizite oficiale, sa stranga mana unui demnitar local nazist. Si asta a fost doar inceputul unui lung sir de hartuiri si intimidari. Pare-mi-se ca a doua sotie a murit ca urmare a unui interogatoriu la Gestapo. Asa ca o fi avand Adenauer multe pacate, dar colaborarea cu NSDAP clar nu e unul dintre ele.

13 Stefan Jicol { 01.29.10 at 2:12 AM }

@sopinel
Eroii adevarati au ajuns fericiti in Câmpiile Elizee. Pentru ca va spun, multi au murit zambind, vazând probabil c’au ajuns oameni liberi si pot sa treaca Stix-ul… fara sa regrete moartea nici o clipa. Cei ramasi, nenorocitii si nevrednicii ca mine, au fost opriti probabil spre a fi pedepsiti. Caci nu poate exista o pedeapsa mai mare decat sa vezi ca esti in fiecare zi infrant, ca idealurile pentru care ai luptat candva sunt pe cat de desuete pe atat de inutile. Aveti o poza a mea, d’atunci, cu un tablou vandalizat pe care scrisesem clar : ” Ultimul Tiran/Ultimul Comunist”.
http://new.romaniacomunista.com/files/2007/12/13.jpg
Astazi, dupa 20 de ani, conducerea Ro are in structurile sale 80% fosti comunisti ( asa cum aprecia si BBC intr’un reportaj). Seful statului este,
prin modul in care suprima Statul de Drept si opozitia, prin care ucide constitutionalismul si parlamentarismul, un tiran veritabil…
Care ultimul tiran, care ultimul comunist ???

14 nenea brancoveanu { 01.29.10 at 9:34 AM }

astazi 28 ianuarie 2010 0ra 20,oo stau in apartamentul meu din Bucuresti cu lumina intrerupta fiind o avarie, cu caldura intrerupta fiind o avarie, cu apa intrerupta fiind o avarie si ma gandesc la emisiunile permanente de la televiziunile mari din Romania (a lui Vantu si a lui Voiculescu) in care propagandistii politici trimisi de fiecare partid acuza partidele adversare politic de …..si de…..si de…..!!!??? iar guvernul Boc (dansul pinguinului)…….!!!??? dupa 20 de ani de la dec. 1989…!!!??? Conflictele militare din lume distrug vieti omenesti, bunuri materiale imense in numele libertatii. Prapastia dintre bogatie si saracie se adanceste din ce in ce mai mult. Criminalitatea si violenta se amplifica si sporeste teama si frica oamenilor pasnici. In acelasi timp Domnul Profesor Preda sugereaza simbolizarea europeana si poate mondiala a lui Tokes care sustine autonomia teritoriala a unei parti din teritoriul Romaniei. Tranzitia spre capitalism a proprietatii de stat a creat oligarhii despre care se vorbeste si, din ce in ce mai multi saraci care tremura pentru grija zilei de maine si se gandesc la ce o sa fie in viitorul apropiat cand marile datorii externe ale Romaniei vor trebuii sa fie restituite. Asa cum am facut in toata istoria noastra, noi, romanii am devenit experti in a arunca vina pe trecutul istoric al romanilor justificandu-si starea fiindca , ba au fost invadati de popoarele migratoare, ba au fost ocupati de turci, ba de rusi, ba de ….ba de… Citesc foarte atent si am multe satisfactii vazand ca tineri romani , foarte seriosi, destepti, incearca sa analizeze mersul istoriei, cauta solutii si de foarte multe ori le gasesc, tineri care se gandesc in primul rand la Romania si apoi la interesul lor personal. De multe ori sunt mahnit cand asist la politizarea excesiva a opiniilor unora din acesti tineri de la care am mari speranta si chiar daca , vorba romanului “te faci frate cu dracul pana treci puntea” uneori sunt obligati sa mai politizeze discursul constat ca sunt tineri care deja s-au molipsit de vechile naravuri si se gandesc in primul rand “cum sa-i moara capra vecinului”.

15 Marcel { 01.29.10 at 6:25 PM }

@ Riddick

“the European Union Collective is considered by the brainwashed German geopolitical élite to be its own global hegemony property and project. Which is precisely correct.”
- sunt si motive de alta natura pentru o relaxare a barierelor dinauntrul Europei. Unul este de ordin economic: pentru o firma nu este acelasi lucru sa aiba la dispozitie o piata de 10 milioane de consumatori sau o piata de 300 de milioane. In mai multe tari s-a simtit nevoia crearii unei piete comune europene, nu doar in Germania. Un alt motiv este de ordin social si a aparut ca urmare a schimbarilor in transporturi: distanta pana la granita in multe localitati este de pana la cateva sute de km iar viteza pe autostrada este de peste 120 km/h.
Ideea unei unificari a Europei este veche, dar nu exclusiv germana. Anglia si Rusia s-au opus unei asemenea eventualitati atunci cand a aparut, aliindu-se intre ele, desi in planul strategiei globale ele au fost tot timpul adversare. O schimbare a survenit in anii ‘80, in momentul in care URSS a parut ca agreeaza formula unei integrari europene, simultan manifestand un ciudat dezinteres pentru Europa de Est.

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